Look at me, posting in the middle of the week. I have to because if you're a purist, then today's the only day that you'll be able to read this short interview (sorry, when I'm on my Mac laptop I can't link, so you're going to have to cut and paste it yourself: www.freshyarn.com/FD/FD.june05/today.htm) I did with Lori Gottlieb online. If you're one of those people who has to watch TV letterboxed and with Dolby surround-sound speakers in your living room, then this notification is for you. Otherwise, if you're indifferent to presentation or a lollygagger (a term that I learned from my middle school P.E. teacher, which, along with "fartlicking," means to be falling behind whatever's going on while not particularly caring), then you can read it at your leisure below.
I just woke up from my first Vermont nap of the season. As I was falling asleep, I heard two guys throwing down underneath my window. "What the fuck did you say to me?" asked voice one, getting impressively more pissy by the second. "Say it again, motherfucker!" And this back and forth went on and on, escalating toward what I was sure was going to be some violence. I was so excited that there might be some writer ass kicking on the ground floor that I almost got out of bed to watch. I thought it would be especially great to watch two poets throw punches. But when I listened for a little longer, I realized that it was just two guys rehearsing a scene. There's an "acting" residency here the same time we are. These two guys were just "acting." God, I hate theater; it always disappoints.
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LORI GOTTLIEB and ANDREA SEIGEL
Lori Gottlieb, FRESH YARN contributor and author of several books including the national bestseller, Stick Figure: A Diary of My Former Self, talks with Andrea Seigel, author of Like the Red Panda, which Publishers Weekly calls, "Astute, confident and keenly articulated."
LG: Your first novel, LIKE THE RED PANDA, is about a smart, eccentric, suicidal high school senior in Orange County who's headed for Princeton. You grew up in Orange County and wrote the book as a college student at Brown. In fact, you set the book at your real-life high school, without changing the school's name. What elements of your own life did you use in writing this book?
AS: I guess you could say that the entire book is a love poem to suicide, which is also (and I know it sounds weird) what my life has been. Beyond that, there are tons of episodes in the book taken from experience -- the opening scene that has Stella being forced to throw an "invisible" beach ball up and down in drama class, that came from this one time my parents signed me up for summerstock. They made me play fake tennis there. And I wasn't "keeping my eye on the ball" or whatever, so I got bitched out. Then we learned how to "theater-slap," except I failed at that, too, because I left a red handprint on my teacher's face. But I like to say that PANDA is about 90% true to my life, with the remaining 10% of untruth being that my parents are still alive, that I've never gone topless in front of an AP English classmate, and I don't eat cereal.
What about your autobiographical work, especially your "autobiography of an anorexic youth," STICK FIGURE: A DIARY OF MY FORMER SELF? How much truth do you keep in your stuff, and how much is sacrificed in the name of cohesive storytelling?
LG: Wait, first: you don't eat cereal? Why not? Maybe you should write about a character who won't eat cereal. Anyway, in STICK FIGURE, it's based on my diaries from when I was 11, but because I recorded the play-by-play of every single interaction with friends, teachers, my parents, boys I liked, my shrink -- you name it -- I had to edit the entries into a cohesive narrative. So, for instance, the chapter on my first boy-girl party begins with a paragraph about the classmate I had a crush on (simply to inform the scene). But in the diaries, entries about this boy went on for months and months (and pages and pages). Also, even though the diaries are edited, I wanted to keep the voice authentic. I corrected for spelling and grammar but I tried to stay true to my language and speech patterns at 11 years old.
My mother, though, had an issue about "truth" after she read the book. There's an incident in which, after watching Charlie's Angels, I tell my parents that if the Angels thought I was too thin, I'd believe THEM, because clearly they know what thin is. So the next week Jaclyn Smith comes over to take me out. And I wrote about how I knew my brother had brought his friends over to gawk at Jaclyn Smith because all their bikes were in the driveway when we pulled up after lunch. So my mother says, "I don't think I ever let your brother's friends park their bikes in the driveway." Of all the issues she might have had with the book, THIS was her concern about verisimilitude.
But back to PANDA: I changed everyone's names except for those of my immediate family members. Did people from your high school read PANDA and recognize themselves, even though you didn't use their real names? How close were these characters to real people you went to school with? Or did it happen that you completely made up a character and somebody claimed that character as him/herself?
AS: Cereal daunts me. I'm just really turned off by the idea of eating a whole bunch of small crunchy things for a meal. I can barely deal with Skittles. I don't feel the same way about pasta because even though pasta is similarly a bunch of small things pretending to be one bigger thing, a spoonful of macaroni and cheese will coalesce itself and at least pretend better.
I think your mom and my mom should start hanging out. Last year a reporter from a paper interviewed me and got tons of things wrong, including the actual text from my book. My mom read the article and all she said was, "Our house isn't beige!" She was pissed the woman got our exterior paint color wrong.
As for people from my high school reading the book and recognizing themselves, that's only really happened with my friends, who I made obvious on purpose as sort of a shout-out. There are two people in the book who should recognize themselves because their names are barely scrambled and I'm totally bitchy about them, but they haven't. To be even more bitchy, I suspect this is because they don't read. And then there's my high school boyfriend, Jonny, who told my friend Taryn (Jonny and I aren't in contact any more) that he "knows" the charismatic boyfriend in my book is obviously based on him. Which he's not.
Speaking of ex-boyfriends- what I really want to know from you is if you've ever been involved with someone who read your book first and then wanted to meet you because of it? Or, alternately, if you've become close with someone who's read your book after you got together, and then had a strong reaction to the "you" depicted in it?
LG: Well, once I was boarding a plane during book tour and I heard some guy yell, "STICK FIGURE! Hey, Stick Figure!" So I turn around and this guy is running toward me saying he recognized me from the book jacket but forgot my name and wanted to sit next to me on the plane. He said he's always wanted to date someone like me. It was weird, because I don't think most guys are intrigued by 11-year-old anorexic girls.
But with boyfriends, the ones who read the book before meeting me often have trouble distinguishing the preteen me from the current me. And then they're confused when I'm not that girl. Maybe even disappointed. My cynicism as an 11-year-old is funnier and easier to take than my cynicism now. But I also feel like reading the book gives boyfriends insight into why I am the way I am today. It's like the Cliff's Notes on all the stuff they missed before they met me and it informs little things like why saying, "End of discussion" makes me go Postal.
I like it best when boyfriends read the book after they've gotten to know me a bit but before they've met my parents. This way, I don't have to give them the run-down on my dysfunctional family. They've already been briefed.
While we're on family dysfunction, I'm curious: Is there anything you revealed in your book about your upbringing (despite PANDA being "fiction") that your parents were pissed about? Did they feel that since so much of the book is based on your life, their privacy might have been invaded? Were they worried, for instance, that because the main character is suicidal, other people in their community would judge them for having a "suicidal" daughter?
AS: Whoa, the plane guy must have really been staring at your author photo because it's pretty hard to recognize authors from those. That's a hardcore groupie.
To answer your question, my parents weren't really pissed about anything specific in the book (maybe this is because they don't appear in it at all) but I know my mom doesn't always love my dark subject matter. So I think she might have, at one point (although she's gotten used to it), been a little queasy about people thinking I'm depressed and suicidal, but she seems to have adjusted. At a Passover seder last week I even did an abbreviated version of my pro-suicide spiel during dinner, and she seems to have become pretty immune to it. I think she's been far more horrified by the "embarrassing" and "unfeminine" details I've included in my nonfiction writing -- I know for a fact she was horrified when I put up an old diary entry about my childhood constipation on my website, and she totally hates it when I do tampon ad analysis. That's the stuff she gets pissed about -- I guess bodily function stuff.
Lori Gottlieb is the author of the national bestseller, Stick Figure: A Diary of My Former Self, an American Library Association "Best Books 2001." Lori's second book, Inside the Cult of Kibu, is an exposé of her experience as editor-in-chief of an online teen magazine that she describes as "Heathers meets Lord of the Flies."
A commentator for NPR's "All Things Considered," Lori's work has appeared in Time, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, People, Elle, Glamour, Slate, and Salon, among many others. Her personal essays appear in the anthologies This Side of Doctoring, Scoot Over Skinny, and The Modern Jewish Girl's Guide to Guilt.
You can waste a lot of time by clicking through her Website at www.lorigottlieb.com.
Andrea Seigel's debut novel, LIKE THE RED PANDA (Harcourt), came out in April 2004 and was named one of Amazon.com's best ten debuts of the year. Her second book, TO FEEL STUFF, comes out (also Harcourt) in spring 2006. If Katie Holmes can declare that she had childhood fantasies of being with Tom Cruise and have it come true, then Andrea would like to announce that as a teen, she had fantasies of being with Trent Reznor.